Its not a bargain. AA said as much in his interviews today when discussing Striders health, work habits, team fit, and overall excellence for his age. Even then, Strider still has to match two of the best young pitchers in the game over the next 5 years to even have that conversation, which is not likely. The Braves are a Smart Proactive Organization. The only way this deal makes sense is if Burnes and Fried get paid over $75M between their final arb year and their first two years of Free Agency. That is less than average, but in line with some long term deals for FA. I do think its a little harder in Boston/New York because success there translates to big dollars everywhere. The league would never agree to that. As usual, i was right. Should have let Strasburg leave. The inability to stream in market is a significant issue. This is a big market spending club unfortunately, And Clayton Kershaw was going to sign with the Rangers cuz hes a local guy. It would definitely be an anomaly if the Braves hit on all this extensions. Besides, adding a couple extra free agent years at close to market value on a later extension is absolutely worth it if he is indeed for real. 2025: $9-10M In 2021, he threw 94.0 total innings in stints with nearly every Braves MiLB team and added 2.1 with the big league squadhe and Dylan Lee made their Major League debuts on the same day last. Agree on braves. Musgrove also signed a team friendly extension w/his hometown Padres. This deal will be the one people talk about for 10-20 years as the contract that forced bidding wars for starting pitchers. Shewmake is about ready though and they could sign a veteran cheap to platoon with him or just keep Dansby and use Shewmake as trade bait. Winning is irrelevant. Btw.you put that Mets collapse in the books yet? Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. For fans of baseballtradevalues.com, dont be surprised if he has negative $30M in value by 2025 when he has TJ surgery, misses a year and hes not quite as successful during his third or fourth pass through the league. If the Braves want to repeat as back-to-back champions, they will need Strider to pitch up to his capabilities. With the shift going away, how can anyone think Olsons production is going to go down is beyond me. I dont mute your kind, but I wont bother reading your insult laden rants in the future. If the right billionaire acquired them and they signed say Judge, Trea and Arenado, this would be one truly awesome team and their payroll would still be less than several other teams. $1M (2024) He swings at any and everything trying to make contact. Julio Rodriguez is still going to get a bonus pool increase in his annual pay for his All-Star game appearance, his HR derby appearance, his ROY award, and any other accolade he gets, regardless of his contract. There certainly wasnt a universal belief the Mets would win the division since the Mets only was 77 games the prior season. The Gerrit Cole contract ($36M/year) is looking to become an albatross on the backend and we have to remember the cost to live in New York is crazy high, so even a parallel deal in most cities would be 10-20% cheaper. For someone who walked 13.5% of his opponents over the first two months of the season, the improvement was as remarkable as it was rapid; from June 10 onward, Strider walked just 6.8% of his opponents. Won a World Series last year. Salary: All-Star: World Series: 2021 Atlanta Braves: 65--2022 Atlanta Braves: AND he sells a lot of tickets and merchandise. He'll be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to . Especially not when youre right, lol. I hope he stays but it wont be the end of the world to have a glove 1st ss hitting 9th in this line up. Trevor Bauers arb years: $6.5M (2018), $13M (2019), $17.5M (2020) While Steve offers a hypothesis of free agent years costing $40M or more annually, the reality is Scherzer may be the best pitcher of his generation, Kershaw and Verlander included and his $40M was clearly an overpay, evem on a short deal. For reference, Kris Bryant was a lock to be a Super Two because he finished 2017 with 2 years and 171 days of service time. The Padres have about $57MM on the 28 books between Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr., while the Rangers have about $51MM on the books between Corey Seager and Marcus Semien. The Atlanta #Braves today signed RHP Charlie Morton to a one-year contract worth $20 million for the 2023 season, with a $20 million club option for 2024 that does not include a buyout. In a general sense, the Harris deal is a great one, and Riley. They signed scherzer only to make a run this and set an example for winning and pitching which he did. Brilliant! But all of that is irrelevant, if he starts pitching like he did in Game 3 of the NLDS!! Fantasy baseball: Which prospects have fantasy value in 2023? The team looking to sign Swanson should have some concerns that his 2022 is unlike anything prior. They are paying $44 million max for both years and its likely that a single season of a TOR starter in 5 years will cost close to that much. Strider will make $4 million by 2025, with $1 million going to each of the next two seasons. I think thats not quite that straightforward. . Login Here. Spencer Strider Position: Pitcher Bats: Right Throws: Right 6-0 , 195lb (183cm, 88kg) Team: Atlanta Braves (majors) More bio, uniform, draft, salary info 65 Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Its a win-win. As for real estate, go check the difference. Because they didnt try to Kris Bryant him it has no bearing on his service time or his Super Two status. Spencer Strider is on Instagram at spencerstrider. He hasnt performed at even close to their level. somewhere in the 100-115 range over 6 years. The nicest condos in New York with less than half that sq. Really only has 6 seasons in the ML. Armed with a four-seam fastball averaging 98.5 MPH and a slider sporting a 42.9% whiff rate, Strider possesses exciting fantasy upside with his ability to miss bats and sport a low WHIP and ERA . Im curious what he wants. If you give 7 a six year deal that takes him through his age 35 season. Strider was 11-5 with a 2.67 ERA in 31 games this season. So the Braves just paid $35 mil for 1 free agent year of Strider, set* Im not getting an edit button for some reason. Sure lets look at a guy that posts a mid-.800 OPS and has a proven track record of premium pitching success and just assume thats where Strider would fall in five years?! $10M (2025) Players dont sign extensions to be traded. Catcher Shea Langeliers and pitcher Spencer Strider, two of the top prospects in the Atlanta Braves organization, have joined the Gwinnett Stripers for the final five home games of 2021. By 9:30 a.m. And because he will likely finish top 2 in the ROY balloting, he would have been credited with a full year of service time in 2022 even if the Braves had tried to Kris Bryant him. You can set your browser to block or alert you about these cookies, but some parts of the site will not then work. Do you have a sports website? Besides, they could just as easily lock up those years of free agency at a somewhat higher but much less risky price by just waiting a year or two to make sure hes for real. The specific cutoff date varies on a year-to-year basis. Thats $83M and even then I think those are totally unattainable, even if he won 2 Cy Young Awards and went to the All-Star game every year and what does that save the Braves $11M? Harvey was highly regarded as top prospect while Strider was considered middle reliever until may. If Strider had 1.169 time on the MLB roster, then hed be a candidate for Super-Two next year, but hes got 1.003, so he wouldnt ever be classified Super-Two unless they send him down. Phillies are in the WS. He will earn $1 million per season in 2023 and 2024, $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 2026, and $22 million per season in 2027-2028. $25M (2028 Option), If he blew the lid off previous seasons with year-to-year, it would be like, $1M (2023) With that being said, I agree with Atlantas approach here overall but there is still a fair amount of risk involved when extending young players so early in their careers. Baseball will become a joke as far as competition is concerned. High School: Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN), School: Clemson University (Clemson, SC), Debut: Huh? Riley had two seasons under his belt, Olson five seasons and the Acuna and Ozzie contracts are both highway robbery for the Braves. If the Rangers offer $250M to live in Texas with no state income tax, that saves as much as 5-10% off the top. His arb years were going to be absurdly expensive. Would an arbitrator just look at a base salary as the springboard for a raise, or would they consider the bonuses as part of the salary when making those decisions? Spencer Strider (left) and Michael Harris II are vying to give the Braves their seventh National League Rookie of the Year. Had the Yankees given Judge the same treatment after the 2017 season, we wouldnt be having Judge FA discussions. Baez 14.5 WAR That will fall far short of the top 22 percent. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance Conversely, How about them Mets? The extra year of service time for Top 2 in ROY voting means that combined with his full season on the Braves roster in 2022, Strider would be entering 2024 as Super Two eligible and the Braves would have a year less control. Even if Strider had Bob Gipsons 1968 season or even put up Verlanders 2022, there is no precedent for this contract. Braves are the best run organization in all of baseball. 7 Cubs pitchers combine for no-hitter vs Machado, Padres, Top moments from Brady, Manning, Jordan and other athletes hosting 'Saturday Night Live', Fantasy baseball rankings, projections, strategy and cheat sheets, Rangers' Leclerc to miss WBC with neck injury, Rockies' Rodgers may need surgery, '23 at risk, Rojas to withdraw from WBC, stay with Dodgers, Braves' Strider (oblique) to have start skipped. 2w Edited 1st year $7.225 mm Theres risk for sure, but if AA is doing it (hes been notoriously risk-aversive since arriving) Im giving him the benefit of the doubt. He earned his initial schooling at the Christian Academy of Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee. Cole Phillips, RHP 7. Is your life so empty that you pore over comments in three week old articles in search of targets for your insults? The way they draft and are able to get their players so sign long term for under market value is second to none. Soto put up an .853 OPS and 149 OPS+. You sound like you have a community college education in accounting. They were 6.5 games ahead of the Braves on August 7. $12M (2025) When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. Sure, its risky, but theyve gotten some historic numbers in a rookie season already from Strider. He may spend the season in AAA trying to learn how to play defense. But those decisions and everything will be up to the team, of course, and how we want to plan for the series and stuff. It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? How do you know what hell be just as willing to do? Good grief. Spencer Strider Contract 2022 Extra year for winning division. So Ill do another one for you since you didnt like my Fried example. Partnered with the USA TODAY Sports Media Group|Powered by, Signed a 6 year $75 million contract extension with Atlanta (ATL), including a club option for 2029, Signed a 1 year $710,000 contract with Atlanta (ATL), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126 overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062 overall), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062overall). Let's check, How Rich is Efra, Duane Theiss estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Spencer Strider Rumors & News Bats: R Throws: R Height: 72 Weight: 195 Age 23 Seasons: 1 Salary: 570,500 Birthplace: Columbus, Ohio College: Clemson Rumors & News Videos Photos TalkingChop Feb 8, 2023 Daily Hammer Podcast: The Braves Could Feature Some of the Best Brands in Baseball $25M (2027) I see it as a risk vs. The point being that the new CBA has ZERO effect on arbitration. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. probably not. These deals take trust on both sides. To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. Ozzie Albies is controllable through the '27 season. Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. Atlanta Braves rookie pitcher Spencer Strider had himself a day against the Reds on Saturday - he struck out 11 hitters in just six innings of work and got the win to improve to 4-2 on the. Very much doubt it. . In your case, the look that you should recognize for all the times you see it with that kind of personality is disgust followed by derisive laughter. establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Ugh. Theres a reason Cohen has the money he has, and it isnt by being a fool October? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/super-two-status-set-at-2-116-years-of-service.html. Many historical player head shots courtesy of David Davis. It will leave many teams overpaying for pitching and when those arms get injured, most teams will selloff because they wont be able to go to the well and sign another $30M free agent to replace their ace who is gone for 18 months while recovering from surgery. If youre going to belittle someone while claiming to have knowledge of their inferior educational level, you should probably try spelling your insults correctly. older demographic) are even able to do that? Swanson is better then Baez. Must be a great place to play if they can get all these young guys to sign for long term. You dont pay max arb prices to save $8M. He sought treatment through medication, but wasn't seeing the improvement he wanted. They tended to evaluate the Mets as having the better team, but not by a lot, but were going (fwiw) with experience and so forth. Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Some young players start off with a bang and then quickly regress (think of Miguel Andujar with the NYY) while other players (especially pitchers) can get hurt and be out for more than a full season. And no, he does not get credited with two years of service time for this year because he spent the whole year on the major league roster AND was a ROY finalist. Put those around 4m for a typical, good player, making it.$69m for Striders first 6 seasons. I wouldnt just throw around $140M in proven assets for $140M in prospects. MLB Player Spencer Strider has $1 million dollar net worth as of 2022, image source; SportsTalk ATL.com. I have faith in you to sign you right now. From one English major to another, genius! The deal includes a $22M club option, with a $5M buyout." - @ MLB Transaction Tracker. His slap happy approach at the plate seems very much at odds w/the Braves patient, high exit velocity hitting philosophy. =========================== But blowing a 7 1/2 game lead on August 7 and losing 6-7 to the primary opposition is absolutely a choke job. With the holiday weekend underway, let's look for some sparkler He wasnt before 2020. Thats fair. Hes top ten talent. However, blocking some types of cookies may impact your experience of the site and the services we are able to offer. $35M (2028 Option). Short and skinnier pitchers dont hold up well, as a general rule. These cookies allow us to count visits and traffic sources so we can measure and improve the performance of our site. He only throws 100 MPH? @MJ Youve omitted a year of Sotos arbitration. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. As a Mets fan, I love what the Braves are doing and their fans should be excited. Research when he was drafted by the Yankees coming out of High School. If they had done the same with Jurrjens or Hanson or Wood this wouldnt have gone well. Not a guy making upwards of 20MM a year. His great year does not guarantee future success as he has not sustained it for nearly long enough. Or 40 million a year for Max. Thats an unlikely worst case for a phenomenal SP, but its there. If the Braves pick up that net $17MM option for the 29 campaign, Strider will earn a total of $92MM over seven years. The Braves are doing this a lot and Im not saying Strider is the one that its going to happen on, but I cant see it panning out for every player with an extension. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. Hes been healthy for 3 straight years. I mean this in total sincerity, if you love this deal, you should never manage a real team, let alone budget your own finances personally. Here it is again, for your convenience. However, he already has slightly more than a full year of service time. He will receive an extra year of service time for that. Win Expectancy, Run Expectancy, and Leverage Index calculations provided by Tom Tango of InsideTheBook.com, and co-author of The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball. I agree. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. If Strider happens to need TJS along the way then this deal would end up being upside down for Atlanta. They will likely have to beat the league-leading LA Dodgers if they want to reach the World Series. For that to be a reasonable number requires him to stay healthy for the whole contract, which would lower his free agent value as it would almost assuredly mean he will have some form of arm injury. Hes getting old and is owed a good chunk of change still. Strider has coerced whiffs on more than 37 percent of the swings taken against his fastball in the upper-third of the zone this season. Its not close. Pitchers arm injuries are a real risk to wipe out a season or two. Ok I quickly read up on the bonus pool from the new CBA. It seems about in the right range. Riley is a good deal. Braves give long term deals to guys that will be younger when the deal is done. While he had great numbers, it was in 2/3 of a season and I have to believe those strikeouts fall off with general usage and fatigue, while also becoming more hittable as his velo drops and his breaking balls lose shape. Strider is expected to start in Game 1 of the series. Furthermore, Strider struck out 202 opposing batters in 131.2 innings pitched. And as much as I like Acuna and Albies, the injuries have already taken a toll. I think its going to bite them in a few years, when they realize the quality of the product is declining. Talk about betting on your good judgment! We will gladly take him, throw in 20 million of his salary as well since you feel as though youve overpaid for him? Peacock Sunday morning gamessome without announcers; Apple TV Fri night games). If thats the key, then they failed, since theyre significantly overpaying for those arb years. Figuring he sets records all along the way: $1M (2023) The Braves stepped up and want Morton to do it again, for $20m. SPENCER AGUIAR. This year they got a weak season from Acuna, and they won 101 games and the division. Sorry for the confusion. His 182Ks this year feels more Stantonian than it should for a mid-range power hitter like Swanson. Thats worrisome! I agree on Riley, but Harris and Strider seemed to sign for cheap. As a positional player I would be more likely to bet on myself but as a power pitcher I would take a deal with life changing money at my first opportunity. Acuna contract was great. It shows loyalty and commitment to someone whos earned it. Lame. Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. Freeman even took Seagers #5 jerseytoo easy. As a Yankee fan, Im much more resentful of the Yankees keeping their YES Network off of all of the streaming services except Direct TV. Jean Segura, MIA. Click For Complete Top Prospect List for 2023 1. (Strider is currently at 1.003 years.) They already have the best cost control in baseball. hflew: This is the first pitcher (out of the 6 players) theyve signed to an extension. All six of those players are now under club control through at least the 2027 season, giving the Braves a level of continuity and cost certainty that is unparalleled throughout the league. THIRD BASE Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL. Look at them now. Super Twos are players who barely missed the full year. So he still would not have been a Super Two. Hes only done that once before (during condensed 2020 season). The Braves seem like they are making all these extensions so their front office can spend the next 4 winters in Bermuda instead of working. Scores from any date in Major League history, Minor, Foreign, College, & Black Baseball, Frequently Asked Questions about MLB and Baseball, Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREE. Anyone who can sign up to a website and verify a second factor of authorization can do it. Its about rewarding the player. We anticipate him being really good because he was yesterday in the pen. I feel great, Strider said. His service time was at 2 years and 49 days and he did not qualify for Super 2. Early career extensions are designed to give the team a discount and especially not overpay for their arbitration years. They are paying the suite price and hoping that they save the 10% fee for buying it at the window. Mets 6986: Three days at seasons end and 2.1 innings pitched by Strider in 2021. Dont see how it could be an issue. He wasnt going any where for at least five years. If another team over values him based on his 2 week debut, the Braves should deal him. Soto himself did not have a top 5 MVP finish this year for example. Dansby is gone. His salary will jump to $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 20216 and $22 million in 2027 and 2028. Plenty that rep for other teams. First and foremost on the agenda will be negotiations with shortstop Dansby Swanson, wholl be a free agent once the postseason concludes. Spencer Strider's Raw Stuff Is As Good As Any MLB Starting Pitcher. It will cost money next year. The greatest lineups ever? Drafting and developing pitchers is a crap shoot no doubt and Atlanta has had their failures along the way. He was the top freshman at Clemson in 2018 before joining MLB, but he missed the season in 2019 due to an injury. Spencer Strider was born on October 28, 1998. You? Why do Braves fans act like he just had the best rookie season ever? This is the first season that he has looked really good and stayed healthy. Reward thing. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? You know how you can tell you are wrong? I watched my home team in my home market on it myself without paying a dime or being blacked out. Strider just had one of the best seasons for a rookie starter in the arbitration era. This. Also, by disabling these cookies you will also disable banner ads served by Google Adsense on this website.. For more information about these items, view our complete privacy policy.Read More. Marlins will never have the fanbase to be elite. I dont count him anyway as hes not exactly in his first or second year. If you dont like my reference, find a better one to contradict my point! He made his MLB debut in 2021. It doesnt benefit both parties, Alex A. is a moron that has signed so many extensions that even with all the great deals he got done, the average $$$ is pushing $180M after only 15 of the contracts. You need to check your info. Story had to move off SS because his arms gone south and cant stay on the field. You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. Lots and lots and lots of people that dont realize what being in the top 2 of ROY voting means for service time. So they can hamstring their salary cap ceiling by an additional $14M each of the next two years? He would have gone there if the contract offer was higher. If you want to be a continuing part of this Braves dynasty, youll need to give us a discount. But not to worry, I did that for you. We cant complain about how a big corporation treats people and not acknowledge when they get it right. Yeah, then every utility bench player with a heart of gold should make $10-15M a year. If they are playing in New York, they ask the team to pay their apartment rent or to finance the home they live in, they get extra money to offset the taxes. The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. Its just false. Awkward, weak arm, slap happy hitter whose approach doesnt fit the Braves high exit velo crush the ball approach. Padres fans loved it in 2017 when they locked him up, but carrying the last 3 years of that deal was brutal for them. 22,552nd in major league history) Also, Swanson played all 60 games in 2020 and he missed only 2 games total in the 21-22 seasons. Neither had a season as good as Strider to that point in their careers. Same is true for Strider, this deal doesnt include or exclude those pre-arb bonuses. The facts say you are wrong. The reality is you should get a 20% discount on the overall value of what they project at today. Yes, he started the season, which means he already has a full year of service time. Super Two only applies when they have at least approximately 2/3 of a year of service time but less than a full season to where the team gets almost seven years of control (like the infamous Kris Bryant example) instead of slightly over six as in Striders case. I told them but they didnt listen to me. Nats should be happy Soto turned down that contract. Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap.
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