Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. 46. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Lol. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! 36. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ WebWARNING!!!! Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. That apparently is what Christ would do. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. They had made an idol out of church attendance. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. Many of these are down right untruthful . Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. 17. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Apart from Him we can do nothing. For they dont practice what they teach. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! No, because thats not Gods will. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. There isn't much out there on the web. God forgave because Jesus saved. 19. The two are completely unrelated. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Romans 5:8 19:13-15. I dont see how. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Its insidious and extremely toxic. Jesus does that. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Its never spoken but up there to read. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Such as??? I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 13. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. 4. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? I truly dont understand this one, ha! 37. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. 51. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Wherever there are people, there is sin. 7. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Everyone has sent in their life. Care to elaborate, provide examples? 1. Its the inspired word of God. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. 45. The membership or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. Its about Jesus. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. I forgave through the example of Jesus. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? My jabs are defensive in nature. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. 22. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. Some of these doctrines are as listed. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. N/A Its method of operation is subversive. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Hope you have a great day! When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. What a stupid thing to say. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. This is very good. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. 50. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. 29. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? 25. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. LOL. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Wow, nice list. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Matthew 6:14-15 Romans 5:8 is about salvation. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. 31. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. Its NOT ABOUT US! Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 7 You hypocrites! I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. Gods will was for me to forgive. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. Hypocrites! 5. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. That makes no sense. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. We believe in salvation by grace So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. My pastor and his wife sent evil. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Hypocrites! This is an assumption.. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. They are counting on your service and tithe. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. 38. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. We will never attain that on this side. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. Come and join. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising.
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